Neil DeGrasse Tyson torpedoes credibility by defending covid vax

In an interview on Patrick Bet-David's podcast, Neil DeGrasse Tyson appeared to lose his cool in PBD's defiance of the concept that maybe the covid vaccines were not so good after all.

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"There's a risk that you'll grow a third arm because the virus mutates within you." - Neil DeGrasse Tyson

I’ll just let that quote simmer for a moment. Keep that in mind when considering anything Neil DeGrasse Tyson has to say.

So it’s clear that Neil DeGrasse Tyson does not like being challenged. While he doesn’t explicitly do so, he is very careful to work his credentials into any debate as an indirect way of saying “I know more than you because of my educational background, so shut up”.

This side of Tyson was definitely on display in a heated debate on The Bet-David show, Iranian-American entrepreneur Patrick Bet-David’s podcast, which you can watch below.

"From what we knew at the beginning of covid, to what we know today, what do we know about the vaccine today that we didn't know while we were all testing it on America taking it? What have we learned now?" asks Patrick Bet-David, which seems to incense Neil DeGrasse Tyson immensely as he flies into his spiel that he's been programmed to say by the people who have a vested interest in keeping him relevant.

"What do you mean testing it on America? There were tests before it was released."

"9 months is not a long time to test -"

"Yeah, but it was tested!" exclaimed Tyson, who seemed incredulous that someone like Bet-David would dare to question science™ and proceeds to remind Bet-David and the viewers that he is a scientist to fellate himself a little and put that tidbit in the minds of anyone who would dare debate his points.

It was then that Bet-David saw fit to remind Tyson that the average testing cycle for vaccines is much longer, measured in time frames that can extend 5 or 10 years to test the safety and efficacy of a vaccine, and that 9 months simply isn't long enough, which is true. Anyone saying the vaccines were adequately tested hasn't been paying attention to the news surrounding our healthiest members of society dropping like flies after taking it.

For a quick aside, Dr. Peter McCullough, MD, MPH, had this to say on Craig Jardula's podcast about how widespread covid complication events are.

”A large representative sample of the United States, two-thirds of people took the vax, one-third didn't. Do you know the overall topline results - 28% of everybody knew somebody who died with the vaccine. The stunning result that Dr. Mark Skidmore, Michigan State University survey - 22% of people know somebody who has been seriously injured by the vaccines.” said Dr. McCullough.

Dr. McCullough also mentions the Zogby survey conducted in the summer of 2022 concluded that 14.8% of people have been diagnosed with new medical issues they didn't have prior to taking the vaccines.

Speaking only for myself here, but I’m going to take the word of Dr. McCullough, a medical professional, over the word of a pompous theoretical physicist who thinks that his intellect makes him an expert of everything.

But anyway, back to Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s unhinged arguments that haven’t had a leg to stand on since the propaganda state, of which he is a part, lost control of the covid narrative.

Tyson then goes on to do the weakest humble brag of all time by claiming he isn't an expert on all this but he's a scientist, so that still gives him more room to talk than other people, because he has been anointed by his puppet masters to be a demagogue whose focus is on quelling dissent by generating sound bytes and catch-phrases that college kids can yell during discussions to disrupt any meaningful dialogue so no one learns anything. But I digress.

Tyson’s argument devolves into attempting to belittle Bet-David by describing the testing cycle in its phases and proclaiming that if a product makes it through all phases and gets approved for use on humans then it’s more than adequate, because the FDA never gets it wrong.

Oh wait, yes they do.

We’ve all seen these commercials, for instance, where lawsuits are being filed against drug companies for unforeseen complications from a given treatment or medication.

And if that isn’t enough and one wishes to shift the goalpost, then I will give you an example you can’t refute: the fallout from the usage of Vioxx than resulted in over 38,000 deaths. Click here to see an article from NPR about it, back when they still did real journalism.

Patrick Bet-David’s argument isn’t rooted solely in refuting the efficacy of the vaccines, although mountains of data affirming the problematic nature of said vaccines exist, his argument is rooted in allowing people to have a choice. As Americans, we tend to expect that we have a choice in things because of that whole freedom thing that we’re still trying to hang onto, and that’s all Bet-David is really saying. We deserve a right to try, or a right to refuse.

”Allow the individual to still have a choice that's okay with a thousand instead of a few million. [Let] the person have the choice. Not force them to take it or else you're gonna get out of the Marines and you've been doing this for 14 years. Not force them to take it or else you're gonna have to quit your job as a nurse. It's force versus a choice.”

Tyson's rebuttal is pure stupidity steeped in Marxist ideology, where the individual has no right to autonomy based on their responsibility to the people around them by way of simply existing in the same society together. Tyson implies that we all signed a 'public health contract' which smacks of Tyson's propensity for trying to belittle everyone he speaks to that he regards as beneath him by utilizing his ability to make up some modestly convincing bullshit on the spot. It's apparent that Tyson is intimately aware of the effectiveness of his own demagoguery on the masses that don't have the acumen to even think to refute his arguments because of their own ignorance and they take everything he says at face value instead of doing a 5-second Google search to find something that actually informs them correctly about the matter at hand.

"There's a public health contract that you have signed implicitly as a citizen of a country, where in part we depend on each other for health, our wealth, our security and the like. And that contract is in the best scientific evidence available at the time, if you do not get vaccinated, you will put other people in this organization at risk, and this organization does not want to take that risk. So, you do not have this job anymore if you decline it [the vaccine]."

The crux of Tyson's Marxist philosophy in the case of vaccine hesitancy shows itself fully in his assertion that consequences must be levied against people for noncompliance, fully showing his lack of understanding of the definition of the word Liberty. In order for liberty to exist, consequences for choosing to exercise that liberty cannot exist.

His point resembles a scenario where we say that you're free to drive as fast as you want but you better be ready to accept the consequences for doing so, which includes fines and possibly jail time. Any choice that bears a consequence is something that we are not allowed to do. Therefore, consequences for refusing the vaccines means that we were never free to refuse it, and that was shown by the fact that numerous essential workers like nurses, military personnel, and pilots were given an ultimatum where they either took the vaccines or left their profession, as Bet-David noted.

By Tyson’s logic or lack thereof, a person sneezing in public should have to present their papers like it’s Nazi Germany to authorities to prove that they complied with vaccine mandates to ensure that that sneeze was not one that could, in theory, spread covid to the rest of the people in the immediate vicinity.

And they call people like me fascists. I’m not the one advocating for a ‘Papers, please’ society.

Now that I’ve set the tone for what to expect from this interview, I would rather address specific points because if I break down every idiotic thing Tyson says in this interview I will end up with a mini-novel.

"The vaccine provided you partial protection from new variants"

That's a lie. Omicron mutated to such a degree that neither natural immunity nor vaccination protected people from it. But it also turned out that it was far less deadly, as is the typical progression of viral evolution. It doesn’t make sense to kill the host from a survival standpoint, so viruses mutate to become more contagious, but less deadly.

”At one point, 87% of everyone dying in the hospital of covid was unvaccinated.”

The assertion that more unvaccinated people died from covid than vaccinated people was true… when the vaccines were first rolled out. After mass vaccination those numbers shifted to be the exact opposite, so making that assertion is an omission of context and a lie.

Tyson’s argument is akin to saying that everyone who was shot before adequate body armor was invented suffered grievous bodily harm. It’s not inaccurate but it’s a pointless thing to say.

Many people died before the vaccines were even finished, usually from hospital staff sledgehammering ventilators down their windpipes, or complications stemming from pre-existing conditions like obesity. But, let’s not get into that, else we might have to mention the flimsy criteria by which covid deaths were calculated that allowed for victims of gunshot wounds and car accidents who died from their injuries while infected with covid to be counted as a covid death.

By that criteria, George Floyd’s death should have been ruled a covid death since he had covid when he died. Again, another rabbit hole that deserves its own deep dive another time. Back to the topic at hand.

”Wearing masks protects not only you, but others around you”

The contention that masking is effective against covid-19 spreading has long since been debunked, and here’s a study to prove it. There’s no way it could be effective unless every single citizen practiced the rigorous and stringent sanitation rules to which doctors and nurses regularly adhere. The average person is going to fiddle with the mask after touching surfaces that could have been coughed on, reuse masks, etc. And expecting kids to be equally as careful is pure fantasy.

If your solution is then to add gloves, okay, let’s entertain that. What do you do with the gloves after you’ve touched something? Do you discard them as you should and then put on new ones? No. No one is doing that and if we did our oceans would be littered with even more garbage as a result. It’s just not practical.

For more context, here’s a classic video of many people describing the best practices of not touching your face, and then immediately violating their own recommendations right there on camera seconds later.

Pure comedy.

”You want a world where you can do whatever you want and have it influence other people.”

When receiving pushback to his pro-lockdown position from the host, Tyson proceeds to accuse Bet-David of wanting to live in a world where he can have it his way and influence other people — Hello pot, meet kettle.

The king of baseless pontification himself, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, is accusing someone else of wanting to influence other people’s decisions. After he asserted that we all magically signed a ‘social contract’ to never do anything that may affect someone else, no matter how minor. So stop breeding, interacting, working, and living. You’re not allowed to do that. Neil DeGrasse Tyson said so, and he’s smarter than you are. We got a virus to defeat, even if humanity goes extinct in the process from starvation or isolation.

I like to call this disconnect the “Vegan effect”. The vegan effect is this: You believe so strongly in the morality of your life choices that you do not believe your decisions affect other creatures, even as farmers’ combines and other equipment kill ground fauna by the billions every year merely from the process of working their fields. It’s cognitive dissonance, plain and simple. For more info, click here.

And yes, I had to work a dig at vegans in there. I couldn’t help myself.

"You can estimate how many deaths the vaccine saved during covid. Because you can look at the death numbers drop off as people got vaccinated. It's in the tens of millions."

This is a shining example of Tyson's own hubris because earlier in the interview he was arguing that Bet-David's point about athletes dying suddenly in drastically higher numbers after vaccination was a temporal relationship to the state of mass vaccination and not a causal one. I'll just leave the following chart for your consideration on that point.

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It seems that Tyson alone can use temporal relationships for his own arguments and imply that there is causation, but no one else is allowed to do so. By his own criteria, his argument makes no sense because as the covid vaccines were being adopted en masse, newer and less deadly variants emerged, so of course the death numbers dropped like a rock.

This also coincided with a large portion of the population having actually contracted covid-19 and, as a result, developing natural immunity that was not immediately challenged by subsequent variants until omicron appeared on the scene. Deaths also remained low in that situation as well because, as previously stated, the virus became more contagious, but less deadly.

The delta variant sort of bucked the traditional trend by being quite deadly in its own right, but how much of that was due to the virus and how much of it was due to vaccine injury, which also started to really become widespread around the same time? Furthermore, I harken back to my previous point where the media and officials have only recently admitted that covid-19 deaths were overcounted.

The data is tainted and unreliable, based on that admission. But not to worry, Neil DeGrasse Tyson is immune to tainted data. Trust him and go get your clot shot today!

Of course I’m being facetious, but you get the point.

I will fully admit that I myself am not the smartest person around, I don’t claim to be. But I do like to believe that I have pretty good pattern recognition. If I see people exploding as they walk through a field, I can reasonably assess that, despite my lack of expertise on minefields, that there are landmines in that field.

But then we live in a time where a sitting Supreme Court justice was supposedly unable to define what a woman is due to the fact that she herself is not a biologist. I suppose if we’re not experts in things we speak of, we shouldn’t speak at all. And that’s the point of such suppression of debate.

Obligatory 1984 quote time.

”The revolution will be complete when the language is perfect.” - 1984

But I digress.

All this ultimately proves to me is that education and intelligence are far, far removed from one another. So again, take anything Neil DeGrasse Tyson says with a grain of salt. Better yet, you should probably hold onto the salt shaker whenever he starts to speak.